tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post5983549420665846673..comments2024-03-25T11:09:41.538-04:00Comments on a minor friar blog: HauntedBrother Charleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07780326836452864455noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-30499323371456303762007-03-26T10:23:00.000-04:002007-03-26T10:23:00.000-04:00Thank you everyone, for your comments, and for you...Thank you everyone, for your comments, and for your thoughtful suggestions and directions to take in a very delicate reflection.Brother Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07780326836452864455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-42661056893645522412007-03-26T05:17:00.000-04:002007-03-26T05:17:00.000-04:00I can't resist adding to my previous comment the c...I can't resist adding to my previous comment the conclusion of the Ruby Payne article I linked to earlier. It really opens one's eyes to the immense value of education, and of the duty I feel we have to pray for educators, and for those who are responsible for funding education. She says:<BR/><BR/>'First of all, students from generational poverty are going to need direct teaching to build cognitive<BR/>structures necessary for learning. Secondly, the relationships that will motivate them to learn need to<BR/>be established. Third, hidden rules must be taught so they can choose the appropriate response if<BR/>they so desire.<BR/><BR/>This is a beginning to address their learning. Are they less capable or less intelligent? No. They<BR/>simply have not been mediated in the strategies or hidden rules that contribute so much to success in<BR/>school and then at work.<BR/><BR/>Will we save all children from generational poverty? No. However, if we would make a difference<BR/>for an additional 10 to 20 percent of the students, it would make a significant impact for those<BR/>children and for our future as a country. As playwright Noel Coward stated, "Our children are a<BR/>living legacy to a time we will not see."'Mike Farleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732248182662167951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-6628604312481198172007-03-26T03:18:00.000-04:002007-03-26T03:18:00.000-04:00There is an eye-opening article here based on Pa...There is an eye-opening article <A HREF="http://homepages.wmich.edu/~ljohnson/Payne.pdf" REL="nofollow">here</A> based on Payne's work that addresses the question of communication among the generationally poor. We must be careful not to make either of the two extreme assumptions here, either the banker's assumption that his world-view is the only correct one (i.e. right) OR that it is entirely incorrect (therefore wrong, and by extension, the world-view of generational poverty is right). It's different. See Feinstein's statement (quoted in the article) about inability to use abstract thought.<BR/><BR/>There isn't room to do justice to this in a comment, even if I had the background. But the challenge, to me, is to avoid trying forcibly to impose "our" world-view on "them" (the banker) OR trying "ourselves" to adopt "their" world-view - which renders us impotent, and is rightly seen as patronising by the minority. Cf. some of the discussions with, and within, the Black Panther movement in the 60s... were the Panthers more "right" than MLK?Mike Farleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732248182662167951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-46438760554236903722007-03-25T01:27:00.000-04:002007-03-25T01:27:00.000-04:00That "banker" would have been cast in the role of ...That "banker" would have been cast in the role of the fool were this tale to unfold in a play of Shakespeare's era. His status as such frees him to speak openly without fear of reprisals from the king. The more indelicate truths of life are sometimes given voice by such fools, and we are left to ponder whether the messenger is truly as vile as the words he speaks, or simply a fool. (the fool is left only to ponder where to obtain the best deal on Bukof)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16555593348444347801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-50150895470468055502007-03-24T11:12:00.000-04:002007-03-24T11:12:00.000-04:00If you put it on a larger scale, it is the same si...If you put it on a larger scale, it is the same situation that poor countries face with respect to the rich western cultures. The inner turmoil, tribal warfare etc existing in Africa, for example, make it impossible for the citizens of those countries to achieve self determination. More often than not, this suits the rich countries just fine.myosotishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14717155025741702440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-54556696640582138392007-03-23T09:24:00.000-04:002007-03-23T09:24:00.000-04:00Thanks for your reflections, Eleanor. It's good to...Thanks for your reflections, Eleanor. It's good to hear from you. It's good to have the confirmation that there are other ministers who know what I'm trying to get my head around.Brother Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07780326836452864455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26883902.post-3157948253940395232007-03-23T09:12:00.000-04:002007-03-23T09:12:00.000-04:00I have this same dilemma in introducing concepts o...I have this same dilemma in introducing concepts of non-violent or person-centred communication to people. Im so aware that when someone with no church background comes into our home, and the kids are playing, I'm quietly encouraging no name calling, etc etc, and I'm expecting a cultural change in them. LIkewise, if I go into a church congregation and facilitate a church health programme which includes healthy communication, I become a cultural agent in that church basically demanding everyone get on the 'class escalator'. We are used to non-violent communication amongst the professionals around us, but in a church called to be alongside the poor this becomes a real dilemma. We want to bring in conflict reconciliation skills, but how to do it? <BR/>Blessings,<BR/>Eleanor, Sister under private vows, PenzanceEleanor Burne-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167677121859556722noreply@blogger.com